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	<title>Comments on: The More Dell Lies, the More Ubuntu Community Embraces Dell</title>
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		<title>By: Andres</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-5630</link>
		<dc:creator>Andres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-5582&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@A Jackson &lt;/a&gt; 
Can I ask what 3D cad You use on linux? I&#039;ve been looking for one that could compete with solidworks</description>
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Can I ask what 3D cad You use on linux? I&#8217;ve been looking for one that could compete with solidworks</p>
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		<title>By: A Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-5582</link>
		<dc:creator>A Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 19:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I purchased a Dell Inspiron, AMD 64 Durion, 1 Gb RAM a couple of years ago.  Had WinXP Pro pre-installed.  From the time I received it I had numerous OS issues, file manager operatoins would not refresh when adding/changing file/folder names.  Boot/shutdown times rapidly became excessive.  updates (every damn day) caused application crashes.  Now it has LinuxMint 8 (a Ubuntu 9.50 derivative) with Virtualbox running an old Win2000 copy for 2 apps that a legacy support.  The guy who shares my office is jealous of the rapid boot (it is actually ready when the Desktop appears) my multiple Desktops (1 of the greatest features) and updates that just work without having to reboot.  Not to mention inherent security.  I use this machine daily professionally to run a 3D CAD system and program machine controls.  Windows has not been activated on it for 7 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I purchased a Dell Inspiron, AMD 64 Durion, 1 Gb RAM a couple of years ago.  Had WinXP Pro pre-installed.  From the time I received it I had numerous OS issues, file manager operatoins would not refresh when adding/changing file/folder names.  Boot/shutdown times rapidly became excessive.  updates (every damn day) caused application crashes.  Now it has LinuxMint 8 (a Ubuntu 9.50 derivative) with Virtualbox running an old Win2000 copy for 2 apps that a legacy support.  The guy who shares my office is jealous of the rapid boot (it is actually ready when the Desktop appears) my multiple Desktops (1 of the greatest features) and updates that just work without having to reboot.  Not to mention inherent security.  I use this machine daily professionally to run a 3D CAD system and program machine controls.  Windows has not been activated on it for 7 months.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim the Man</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-5575</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim the Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CORRECTION: Price of the Windows 7 Dell Inspiron 15 is really $444.00 when you upgrade to match 3GB RAM offered default with the Ubuntu Inspiron 15n. 

Inspiron 15n
Starting Price....$619.00
Software &amp; Services
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T6600 (2.20GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
Ubuntu Version 9.10 with 30 days of Starter Support
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
3GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 800MHz
6-cell battery
1 Year Limited Hardware Warranty (10-14 Day Mail-In Service After Remote Diagnosis)
Glossy, widescreen 15.6 inch display (1366x768)
High Definition Audio 2.0
8X CD / DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)
Dell 1397 Wireless-G
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD
Jet Black
My Accessories
My Service
Also Includes
No Webcam Option
Integrated 10/100 Network Card

Inspiron 15
Starting Price ....... $444.00
Software &amp; Services
Intel® Celeron® 900 (1MB cache/2.20GHz/800Mhz FSB)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
1 Year Basic Service Plan
3GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 800MHz
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
6-cell battery
No Webcam Option
Dell 1397 Wireless-G
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD
8X CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)
High Definition Audio 2.0
Jet Black
My Accessories
Microsoft® Works 9
McAfee SecurityCenter, 30-Day Trial
Dell Online Backup 2GB for 1 year
Also Includes
Bright, glossy widescreen 15.6 WLED display (1366x768)
Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 9.0
Integrated 10/100 Network Card
No ISP requested

Difference is really $175</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTION: Price of the Windows 7 Dell Inspiron 15 is really $444.00 when you upgrade to match 3GB RAM offered default with the Ubuntu Inspiron 15n. </p>
<p>Inspiron 15n<br />
Starting Price&#8230;.$619.00<br />
Software &amp; Services<br />
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T6600 (2.20GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)<br />
Ubuntu Version 9.10 with 30 days of Starter Support<br />
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)<br />
3GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 800MHz<br />
6-cell battery<br />
1 Year Limited Hardware Warranty (10-14 Day Mail-In Service After Remote Diagnosis)<br />
Glossy, widescreen 15.6 inch display (1366&#215;768)<br />
High Definition Audio 2.0<br />
8X CD / DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)<br />
Dell 1397 Wireless-G<br />
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD<br />
Jet Black<br />
My Accessories<br />
My Service<br />
Also Includes<br />
No Webcam Option<br />
Integrated 10/100 Network Card</p>
<p>Inspiron 15<br />
Starting Price &#8230;&#8230;. $444.00<br />
Software &amp; Services<br />
Intel® Celeron® 900 (1MB cache/2.20GHz/800Mhz FSB)<br />
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English<br />
1 Year Basic Service Plan<br />
3GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 800MHz<br />
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)<br />
6-cell battery<br />
No Webcam Option<br />
Dell 1397 Wireless-G<br />
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD<br />
8X CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)<br />
High Definition Audio 2.0<br />
Jet Black<br />
My Accessories<br />
Microsoft® Works 9<br />
McAfee SecurityCenter, 30-Day Trial<br />
Dell Online Backup 2GB for 1 year<br />
Also Includes<br />
Bright, glossy widescreen 15.6 WLED display (1366&#215;768)<br />
Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 9.0<br />
Integrated 10/100 Network Card<br />
No ISP requested</p>
<p>Difference is really $175</p>
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		<title>By: Tim the Man</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-5574</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim the Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed
$399 Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dndozg1&amp;c=us&amp;l=en&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19&amp;kc=laptop-inspiron-1545

$619 Ubuntu 9.10 (upgraded from $579 to match 6 cell battery)
configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dncwzl1&amp;c=us&amp;l=en&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19

Price difference is $220. Windows 7 wins. Pay $220 more for a free OS? Thanks Dell for at least providing Ubuntu support. Time to dual boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed<br />
$399 Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit<br />
configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dndozg1&amp;c=us&amp;l=en&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19&amp;kc=laptop-inspiron-1545</p>
<p>$619 Ubuntu 9.10 (upgraded from $579 to match 6 cell battery)<br />
configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dncwzl1&amp;c=us&amp;l=en&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19</p>
<p>Price difference is $220. Windows 7 wins. Pay $220 more for a free OS? Thanks Dell for at least providing Ubuntu support. Time to dual boot.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed the Man</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-5573</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed the Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inspiron 15n
Starting Price…… $619.00
www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/laptop-inspiron-1545/pd.aspx?refid=laptop-inspiron-1545&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19&amp;~oid=us~en~29~linux_2~~
Software &amp; Services
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T6600 (2.20GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
Ubuntu Version 9.10 with 30 days of Starter Support
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
3GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 800MHz
6-cell battery
1 Year Limited Hardware Warranty (10-14 Day Mail-In Service After Remote Diagnosis)
Bright, glossy widescreen 15.6 WLED display (1366×768)
High Definition Audio 2.0
8X CD / DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)
Dell 1397 Wireless-G
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD
Jet Black
My Accessories
My Service
Also Includes
No Webcam Option
Integrated 10/100 Network Card

Inspiron 15
Starting Price……. $399.00
www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-inspiron-1545?c=us&amp;l=en&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19
Software &amp; Services
Intel® Celeron® 900 (1MB cache/2.20GHz/800Mhz FSB)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
1 Year Basic Service Plan
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 800MHz
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
6-cell battery
No Webcam Option
Dell 1397 Wireless-G
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD
8X CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)
High Definition Audio 2.0
Jet Black
My Accessories
Microsoft® Works 9
McAfee SecurityCenter, 30-Day Trial
Dell Online Backup 2GB for 1 year
Also Includes
Bright, glossy widescreen 15.6 WLED display (1366×768)
Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 9.0
Integrated 10/100 Network Card
No ISP requested

Price difference $220.. Windows favor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inspiron 15n<br />
Starting Price…… $619.00<br />
<a href="http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/laptop-inspiron-1545/pd.aspx?refid=laptop-inspiron-1545&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19&amp;~oid=us~en~29~linux_2~~" rel="nofollow">http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/laptop-inspiron-1545/pd.aspx?refid=laptop-inspiron-1545&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19&amp;~oid=us~en~29~linux_2~~</a><br />
Software &amp; Services<br />
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T6600 (2.20GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)<br />
Ubuntu Version 9.10 with 30 days of Starter Support<br />
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)<br />
3GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 800MHz<br />
6-cell battery<br />
1 Year Limited Hardware Warranty (10-14 Day Mail-In Service After Remote Diagnosis)<br />
Bright, glossy widescreen 15.6 WLED display (1366×768)<br />
High Definition Audio 2.0<br />
8X CD / DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)<br />
Dell 1397 Wireless-G<br />
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD<br />
Jet Black<br />
My Accessories<br />
My Service<br />
Also Includes<br />
No Webcam Option<br />
Integrated 10/100 Network Card</p>
<p>Inspiron 15<br />
Starting Price……. $399.00<br />
<a href="http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-inspiron-1545?c=us&amp;l=en&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19" rel="nofollow">http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-inspiron-1545?c=us&amp;l=en&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19</a><br />
Software &amp; Services<br />
Intel® Celeron® 900 (1MB cache/2.20GHz/800Mhz FSB)<br />
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English<br />
1 Year Basic Service Plan<br />
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 800MHz<br />
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)<br />
6-cell battery<br />
No Webcam Option<br />
Dell 1397 Wireless-G<br />
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD<br />
8X CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)<br />
High Definition Audio 2.0<br />
Jet Black<br />
My Accessories<br />
Microsoft® Works 9<br />
McAfee SecurityCenter, 30-Day Trial<br />
Dell Online Backup 2GB for 1 year<br />
Also Includes<br />
Bright, glossy widescreen 15.6 WLED display (1366×768)<br />
Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 9.0<br />
Integrated 10/100 Network Card<br />
No ISP requested</p>
<p>Price difference $220.. Windows favor</p>
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		<title>By: Ed the Man</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-5572</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed the Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d buy Windows 7 and dual boot with Ubuntu 10.04</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d buy Windows 7 and dual boot with Ubuntu 10.04</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous client</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-5477</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous client</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>add the fact that dell is selling support services they NEVER give.
and the FACT that both DELL and UBUNTU are perhaps not LYING but 
&quot;forgetting&quot; to mention at SALE that the PRINTERS they are SELLING to
their customers are USELESS and a waste of their money *CON*.... 

then the FACT that shipments are DELAYED - 
days to find out what SUPPORT is and then DAYS to 
get it.  NOW that the stench is surfacing - the very &quot;curteous&quot; 
techs inform you that your 21 days refund is expired and u can 
take the useless equipment and shove it .... up a dark corner of your closet storage space.

put that ontop of DELL seeds and &quot;sharing&quot;.... 
which is ONE reason that ubuntu users PREFER ubuntu.... 

I thought it  was a good thing... 
till i PAID the bucks and EARNED my lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>add the fact that dell is selling support services they NEVER give.<br />
and the FACT that both DELL and UBUNTU are perhaps not LYING but<br />
&#8220;forgetting&#8221; to mention at SALE that the PRINTERS they are SELLING to<br />
their customers are USELESS and a waste of their money *CON*&#8230;. </p>
<p>then the FACT that shipments are DELAYED &#8211;<br />
days to find out what SUPPORT is and then DAYS to<br />
get it.  NOW that the stench is surfacing &#8211; the very &#8220;curteous&#8221;<br />
techs inform you that your 21 days refund is expired and u can<br />
take the useless equipment and shove it &#8230;. up a dark corner of your closet storage space.</p>
<p>put that ontop of DELL seeds and &#8220;sharing&#8221;&#8230;.<br />
which is ONE reason that ubuntu users PREFER ubuntu&#8230;. </p>
<p>I thought it  was a good thing&#8230;<br />
till i PAID the bucks and EARNED my lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: noone</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-5233</link>
		<dc:creator>noone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey there. perhaps it&#039;s a bit too late to post, but i feel like no one is getting to the point here.
big oem&#039;s such as dell, don&#039;t care about ubuntu. it&#039;s a fact, and you don&#039;t need to discuss it. why is that? because dell offers its products based on the concept that they are easy to use, easy to buy, cheap and they offer &quot;tech support&quot; over the phone. if you were to buy a computer and use it with ubuntu (being computer savvy) then you would assembly it yourself, and get to choose each component. Dell branded computers are only that, &quot;branded&quot;. they all have chinese motherboards (asus, msi or whatever else they come accross), which in turn have chipsets made by somebody else, like ati or nvidia. then they assemble this pcs in china or mexico, just like hp does (serial numbers starting with MX, CN, that&#039;s where the pc was manufactured) and finally, offer tech support in india, the phillipines, mexico or any other &#039;developing&#039; country (which by the way, is not &#039;guru&#039; on anything at all, just a bunch of people with a 2-months training at most). that is what lowers their production costs as it does to preinstall vista and the crapware you usually get with their pcs. there is no real tech development here. they are just oems and that is what they do. get used to it, or learn how to build a computer yourself and get the os you like the most. the 80&#039;s are over. there is no real difference between computer manufacturers, not even between computers (see the intel macs).
sorry about my english, i&#039;m not a native speaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey there. perhaps it&#8217;s a bit too late to post, but i feel like no one is getting to the point here.<br />
big oem&#8217;s such as dell, don&#8217;t care about ubuntu. it&#8217;s a fact, and you don&#8217;t need to discuss it. why is that? because dell offers its products based on the concept that they are easy to use, easy to buy, cheap and they offer &#8220;tech support&#8221; over the phone. if you were to buy a computer and use it with ubuntu (being computer savvy) then you would assembly it yourself, and get to choose each component. Dell branded computers are only that, &#8220;branded&#8221;. they all have chinese motherboards (asus, msi or whatever else they come accross), which in turn have chipsets made by somebody else, like ati or nvidia. then they assemble this pcs in china or mexico, just like hp does (serial numbers starting with MX, CN, that&#8217;s where the pc was manufactured) and finally, offer tech support in india, the phillipines, mexico or any other &#8216;developing&#8217; country (which by the way, is not &#8216;guru&#8217; on anything at all, just a bunch of people with a 2-months training at most). that is what lowers their production costs as it does to preinstall vista and the crapware you usually get with their pcs. there is no real tech development here. they are just oems and that is what they do. get used to it, or learn how to build a computer yourself and get the os you like the most. the 80&#8217;s are over. there is no real difference between computer manufacturers, not even between computers (see the intel macs).<br />
sorry about my english, i&#8217;m not a native speaker.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-5126</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 year later and no real progress and no other OEM following suit by offering Ubuntu. Naturally, there&#039;s no money in it and almost no demand. Dell will dump Ubuntu when the recession hits. It&#039;s the perfect exit strategy for Dell. They get to save face with the mostly Linux constituency over on Ideastorm by blaming the recession as to the reason why they can no longer offer Ubuntu. 

The failed and farcical Ideastorm project which hardly represents Dell&#039;s consumer base and which backed Dell into a corner will also probably be shut down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 year later and no real progress and no other OEM following suit by offering Ubuntu. Naturally, there&#8217;s no money in it and almost no demand. Dell will dump Ubuntu when the recession hits. It&#8217;s the perfect exit strategy for Dell. They get to save face with the mostly Linux constituency over on Ideastorm by blaming the recession as to the reason why they can no longer offer Ubuntu. </p>
<p>The failed and farcical Ideastorm project which hardly represents Dell&#8217;s consumer base and which backed Dell into a corner will also probably be shut down.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-4465</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Dell without an operating system I don&#039;t ever see happening.  The problem is they are customer service based so they don&#039;t want anything out there that doesn&#039;t have an OS they can support.  That is the only reason they are offering Ubuntu is because of commercially available support and that partnership.

Ubuntu on Dell&#039;s is a major advancement of Ubuntu as THE face of Linux and to gain more mainstream support from major software companies like Adobe who already have Windows and Mac flavors out there.  Just as the Intel based Macs was a step towards software companies making Linux software, since the architecture is one step closer to PC based Linux OSes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Dell without an operating system I don&#8217;t ever see happening.  The problem is they are customer service based so they don&#8217;t want anything out there that doesn&#8217;t have an OS they can support.  That is the only reason they are offering Ubuntu is because of commercially available support and that partnership.</p>
<p>Ubuntu on Dell&#8217;s is a major advancement of Ubuntu as THE face of Linux and to gain more mainstream support from major software companies like Adobe who already have Windows and Mac flavors out there.  Just as the Intel based Macs was a step towards software companies making Linux software, since the architecture is one step closer to PC based Linux OSes.</p>
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