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	<title>Comments on: The More Dell Lies, the More Ubuntu Community Embraces Dell</title>
	<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies</link>
	<description>Linux, Windows, MacOS? Who cares. Just give me something that works!</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-4465</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-4465</guid>
		<description>A Dell without an operating system I don't ever see happening.  The problem is they are customer service based so they don't want anything out there that doesn't have an OS they can support.  That is the only reason they are offering Ubuntu is because of commercially available support and that partnership.

Ubuntu on Dell's is a major advancement of Ubuntu as THE face of Linux and to gain more mainstream support from major software companies like Adobe who already have Windows and Mac flavors out there.  Just as the Intel based Macs was a step towards software companies making Linux software, since the architecture is one step closer to PC based Linux OSes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Dell without an operating system I don&#8217;t ever see happening.  The problem is they are customer service based so they don&#8217;t want anything out there that doesn&#8217;t have an OS they can support.  That is the only reason they are offering Ubuntu is because of commercially available support and that partnership.</p>
<p>Ubuntu on Dell&#8217;s is a major advancement of Ubuntu as THE face of Linux and to gain more mainstream support from major software companies like Adobe who already have Windows and Mac flavors out there.  Just as the Intel based Macs was a step towards software companies making Linux software, since the architecture is one step closer to PC based Linux OSes.</p>
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		<title>By: newlogic</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-4302</link>
		<dc:creator>newlogic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-4302</guid>
		<description>there is alot of dell reps on this blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is alot of dell reps on this blog</p>
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		<title>By: Wolivere</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2864</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolivere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2864</guid>
		<description>"You could buy the Vista PC cheap, install Ubuntu on a partition and have a dual boot system (in can come in handy to have windows so you can do your taxes once a year, etc)."

True and I can play games on Ubuntu at 1/2 speed 1/2 the frame rate and watch it crash every 15-20 minutes.

"Then consider what you save on software licenses, anti-virus and anti-spyware programs you have to buy, and then factor in the time you’ve spent watching the windoze hourglass, waiting for something to happen or the value of the work you lost to the blue screen of death."

With the money I save, I can buy lots of this if I needed it.

And trully its been near 10 years since I saw a blue screen of death. But strangly I have seen a lot of X11 crash's or reboots to a (prompt) due to X11 going south.

"My bust-ass 5 y.o. Compaq laptop with a 1.4 ghz Celeron processor and 512m of memory outperforms a state of the art laptop running Vista. As long as my laptop still runs, there will be no need to replace it."

Well thats only partially true, you most likley are trying to make Vista Work, while surfing listing to music, and typing emails in Ubuntu.. you know the resource intensive stuff......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You could buy the Vista PC cheap, install Ubuntu on a partition and have a dual boot system (in can come in handy to have windows so you can do your taxes once a year, etc).&#8221;</p>
<p>True and I can play games on Ubuntu at 1/2 speed 1/2 the frame rate and watch it crash every 15-20 minutes.</p>
<p>&#8220;Then consider what you save on software licenses, anti-virus and anti-spyware programs you have to buy, and then factor in the time you’ve spent watching the windoze hourglass, waiting for something to happen or the value of the work you lost to the blue screen of death.&#8221;</p>
<p>With the money I save, I can buy lots of this if I needed it.</p>
<p>And trully its been near 10 years since I saw a blue screen of death. But strangly I have seen a lot of X11 crash&#8217;s or reboots to a (prompt) due to X11 going south.</p>
<p>&#8220;My bust-ass 5 y.o. Compaq laptop with a 1.4 ghz Celeron processor and 512m of memory outperforms a state of the art laptop running Vista. As long as my laptop still runs, there will be no need to replace it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well thats only partially true, you most likley are trying to make Vista Work, while surfing listing to music, and typing emails in Ubuntu.. you know the resource intensive stuff&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MotoMitch</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2840</link>
		<dc:creator>MotoMitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2840</guid>
		<description>The discounts are being offered because Vista is a pig. Yes, it seems unfair to charge less for a PC with an expensive and bloated OS, but nobody wants it and that's how the market works. 

But if you compare a PC with the same specs running Ubuntu vs. Vista? Ubuntu wins, hands down.

You could buy the Vista PC cheap, install Ubuntu on a partition and have a dual boot system (in can come in handy to have windows so you can do your taxes once a year, etc).

Then consider what you save on software licenses, anti-virus and anti-spyware programs you have to buy, and then factor in the time you've spent watching the windoze hourglass, waiting for something to happen or the value of the work you lost to the blue screen of death.

My bust-ass 5 y.o. Compaq laptop with a 1.4 ghz Celeron processor and 512m of memory outperforms a state of the art laptop running Vista. As long as my laptop still runs, there will be no need to replace it.

Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discounts are being offered because Vista is a pig. Yes, it seems unfair to charge less for a PC with an expensive and bloated OS, but nobody wants it and that&#8217;s how the market works. </p>
<p>But if you compare a PC with the same specs running Ubuntu vs. Vista? Ubuntu wins, hands down.</p>
<p>You could buy the Vista PC cheap, install Ubuntu on a partition and have a dual boot system (in can come in handy to have windows so you can do your taxes once a year, etc).</p>
<p>Then consider what you save on software licenses, anti-virus and anti-spyware programs you have to buy, and then factor in the time you&#8217;ve spent watching the windoze hourglass, waiting for something to happen or the value of the work you lost to the blue screen of death.</p>
<p>My bust-ass 5 y.o. Compaq laptop with a 1.4 ghz Celeron processor and 512m of memory outperforms a state of the art laptop running Vista. As long as my laptop still runs, there will be no need to replace it.</p>
<p>Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2508</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2508</guid>
		<description>If it is cheaper to buy the machine with Windows installed then this is   what I will do:

- Buy the machine with Windows installed
- Format the hard drive, throw away the Windows OEM disk
- Install Ubuntu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is cheaper to buy the machine with Windows installed then this is   what I will do:</p>
<p>- Buy the machine with Windows installed<br />
- Format the hard drive, throw away the Windows OEM disk<br />
- Install Ubuntu</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Nawk</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2383</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Nawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2383</guid>
		<description>I have been asking Dell for machines with No OS for many years. The answer is still no. I think they should be honest with people and tell them the true cost of the machine and the OS.

I think anyone using any version of Windows c TM should ask for their money back on their current version and then use that money to buy the next version of Microsoft's operating system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been asking Dell for machines with No OS for many years. The answer is still no. I think they should be honest with people and tell them the true cost of the machine and the OS.</p>
<p>I think anyone using any version of Windows c TM should ask for their money back on their current version and then use that money to buy the next version of Microsoft&#8217;s operating system.</p>
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		<title>By: blueglue</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2365</link>
		<dc:creator>blueglue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2365</guid>
		<description>I am a ubuntu user and previously I owned macs and their forums are filled with the same crap! Windows people go and be happy! I would also like to say that has nobody stopped to think that probably 0.00005% of windows users work in IT whereas probably about 20% of linux users do. So by Dell offering Ubuntu systems they are probably appealing to alot of people who have a say on corporate IT spending?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a ubuntu user and previously I owned macs and their forums are filled with the same crap! Windows people go and be happy! I would also like to say that has nobody stopped to think that probably 0.00005% of windows users work in IT whereas probably about 20% of linux users do. So by Dell offering Ubuntu systems they are probably appealing to alot of people who have a say on corporate IT spending?</p>
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		<title>By: xeon</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator>xeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2115</guid>
		<description>i just ordered my ubuntu dell through my school and only upgraded to the high res screen ($840 after shipping). i did what you did and parted out the exact same machine with vista, both WITHOUT my student discount and got these results:

1420n: $994 (plus shipping)
1420: $1,164 (plus shipping)

now who's lying? 

you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just ordered my ubuntu dell through my school and only upgraded to the high res screen ($840 after shipping). i did what you did and parted out the exact same machine with vista, both WITHOUT my student discount and got these results:</p>
<p>1420n: $994 (plus shipping)<br />
1420: $1,164 (plus shipping)</p>
<p>now who&#8217;s lying? </p>
<p>you are.</p>
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		<title>By: fleamailman</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2035</link>
		<dc:creator>fleamailman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2035</guid>
		<description>with linux one can use the machine untill it breaks, I have a compaq persaro 1200 laptop(ex windows 98se, 6gb, 256ram) running kubuntu linux, meaning that if I buy the dell ubuntu machine now I will still be able to use it for as long as I wish, whereas I am sure that windows will not support vista from some point, agreed I have no proff of user's needs but I suspect that most people just want their laptops for simple stuff these days, so someone buying ubuntu gets a long term system computer whereas microsoft only offers one a shortterm lease of a system which microsoft can then choose withdraw support from forcing one onto their next system, (and what about officeworks and protection), anyway imagine someone trying to run vista on a windows98se computer and one soon see that price advatage of going to linux, 

Anyway, I don't mind dell being honest or dishonest in their motives, thanks to them both Levono and HP and now joined the fray, and the distro-war may now turn serious</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with linux one can use the machine untill it breaks, I have a compaq persaro 1200 laptop(ex windows 98se, 6gb, 256ram) running kubuntu linux, meaning that if I buy the dell ubuntu machine now I will still be able to use it for as long as I wish, whereas I am sure that windows will not support vista from some point, agreed I have no proff of user&#8217;s needs but I suspect that most people just want their laptops for simple stuff these days, so someone buying ubuntu gets a long term system computer whereas microsoft only offers one a shortterm lease of a system which microsoft can then choose withdraw support from forcing one onto their next system, (and what about officeworks and protection), anyway imagine someone trying to run vista on a windows98se computer and one soon see that price advatage of going to linux, </p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t mind dell being honest or dishonest in their motives, thanks to them both Levono and HP and now joined the fray, and the distro-war may now turn serious</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2013</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies#comment-2013</guid>
		<description>Anyone can search for "Ubuntu" on that thread to get all the related comments.

It's odd how people will gravitate to grabbing onto any trivial matter once the main points have been argued and won.

The proverbial "I use Ubuntu, it's the greatest OS in the world! Microsoft proprietary s/w sucks." type of comments and nonsense does not impress me... Those people are living in a bubble.

Neither does the logic of ignoring comments I posted due to a few contrasting ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone can search for &#8220;Ubuntu&#8221; on that thread to get all the related comments.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s odd how people will gravitate to grabbing onto any trivial matter once the main points have been argued and won.</p>
<p>The proverbial &#8220;I use Ubuntu, it&#8217;s the greatest OS in the world! Microsoft proprietary s/w sucks.&#8221; type of comments and nonsense does not impress me&#8230; Those people are living in a bubble.</p>
<p>Neither does the logic of ignoring comments I posted due to a few contrasting ones.</p>
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