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	<title>Comments on: The More Dell Lies, the More Ubuntu Community Embraces Dell</title>
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	<description>Linux, Windows, MacOS? Who cares. Just give me something that works!</description>
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		<title>By: anonymous client</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-5477</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous client</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>add the fact that dell is selling support services they NEVER give.
and the FACT that both DELL and UBUNTU are perhaps not LYING but 
&quot;forgetting&quot; to mention at SALE that the PRINTERS they are SELLING to
their customers are USELESS and a waste of their money *CON*.... 

then the FACT that shipments are DELAYED - 
days to find out what SUPPORT is and then DAYS to 
get it.  NOW that the stench is surfacing - the very &quot;curteous&quot; 
techs inform you that your 21 days refund is expired and u can 
take the useless equipment and shove it .... up a dark corner of your closet storage space.

put that ontop of DELL seeds and &quot;sharing&quot;.... 
which is ONE reason that ubuntu users PREFER ubuntu.... 

I thought it  was a good thing... 
till i PAID the bucks and EARNED my lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>add the fact that dell is selling support services they NEVER give.<br />
and the FACT that both DELL and UBUNTU are perhaps not LYING but<br />
&#8220;forgetting&#8221; to mention at SALE that the PRINTERS they are SELLING to<br />
their customers are USELESS and a waste of their money *CON*&#8230;. </p>
<p>then the FACT that shipments are DELAYED &#8211;<br />
days to find out what SUPPORT is and then DAYS to<br />
get it.  NOW that the stench is surfacing &#8211; the very &#8220;curteous&#8221;<br />
techs inform you that your 21 days refund is expired and u can<br />
take the useless equipment and shove it &#8230;. up a dark corner of your closet storage space.</p>
<p>put that ontop of DELL seeds and &#8220;sharing&#8221;&#8230;.<br />
which is ONE reason that ubuntu users PREFER ubuntu&#8230;. </p>
<p>I thought it  was a good thing&#8230;<br />
till i PAID the bucks and EARNED my lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: noone</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-5233</link>
		<dc:creator>noone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey there. perhaps it&#039;s a bit too late to post, but i feel like no one is getting to the point here.
big oem&#039;s such as dell, don&#039;t care about ubuntu. it&#039;s a fact, and you don&#039;t need to discuss it. why is that? because dell offers its products based on the concept that they are easy to use, easy to buy, cheap and they offer &quot;tech support&quot; over the phone. if you were to buy a computer and use it with ubuntu (being computer savvy) then you would assembly it yourself, and get to choose each component. Dell branded computers are only that, &quot;branded&quot;. they all have chinese motherboards (asus, msi or whatever else they come accross), which in turn have chipsets made by somebody else, like ati or nvidia. then they assemble this pcs in china or mexico, just like hp does (serial numbers starting with MX, CN, that&#039;s where the pc was manufactured) and finally, offer tech support in india, the phillipines, mexico or any other &#039;developing&#039; country (which by the way, is not &#039;guru&#039; on anything at all, just a bunch of people with a 2-months training at most). that is what lowers their production costs as it does to preinstall vista and the crapware you usually get with their pcs. there is no real tech development here. they are just oems and that is what they do. get used to it, or learn how to build a computer yourself and get the os you like the most. the 80&#039;s are over. there is no real difference between computer manufacturers, not even between computers (see the intel macs).
sorry about my english, i&#039;m not a native speaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey there. perhaps it&#8217;s a bit too late to post, but i feel like no one is getting to the point here.<br />
big oem&#8217;s such as dell, don&#8217;t care about ubuntu. it&#8217;s a fact, and you don&#8217;t need to discuss it. why is that? because dell offers its products based on the concept that they are easy to use, easy to buy, cheap and they offer &#8220;tech support&#8221; over the phone. if you were to buy a computer and use it with ubuntu (being computer savvy) then you would assembly it yourself, and get to choose each component. Dell branded computers are only that, &#8220;branded&#8221;. they all have chinese motherboards (asus, msi or whatever else they come accross), which in turn have chipsets made by somebody else, like ati or nvidia. then they assemble this pcs in china or mexico, just like hp does (serial numbers starting with MX, CN, that&#8217;s where the pc was manufactured) and finally, offer tech support in india, the phillipines, mexico or any other &#8216;developing&#8217; country (which by the way, is not &#8216;guru&#8217; on anything at all, just a bunch of people with a 2-months training at most). that is what lowers their production costs as it does to preinstall vista and the crapware you usually get with their pcs. there is no real tech development here. they are just oems and that is what they do. get used to it, or learn how to build a computer yourself and get the os you like the most. the 80&#8217;s are over. there is no real difference between computer manufacturers, not even between computers (see the intel macs).<br />
sorry about my english, i&#8217;m not a native speaker.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-5126</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 year later and no real progress and no other OEM following suit by offering Ubuntu. Naturally, there&#039;s no money in it and almost no demand. Dell will dump Ubuntu when the recession hits. It&#039;s the perfect exit strategy for Dell. They get to save face with the mostly Linux constituency over on Ideastorm by blaming the recession as to the reason why they can no longer offer Ubuntu. 

The failed and farcical Ideastorm project which hardly represents Dell&#039;s consumer base and which backed Dell into a corner will also probably be shut down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 year later and no real progress and no other OEM following suit by offering Ubuntu. Naturally, there&#8217;s no money in it and almost no demand. Dell will dump Ubuntu when the recession hits. It&#8217;s the perfect exit strategy for Dell. They get to save face with the mostly Linux constituency over on Ideastorm by blaming the recession as to the reason why they can no longer offer Ubuntu. </p>
<p>The failed and farcical Ideastorm project which hardly represents Dell&#8217;s consumer base and which backed Dell into a corner will also probably be shut down.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-4465</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Dell without an operating system I don&#039;t ever see happening.  The problem is they are customer service based so they don&#039;t want anything out there that doesn&#039;t have an OS they can support.  That is the only reason they are offering Ubuntu is because of commercially available support and that partnership.

Ubuntu on Dell&#039;s is a major advancement of Ubuntu as THE face of Linux and to gain more mainstream support from major software companies like Adobe who already have Windows and Mac flavors out there.  Just as the Intel based Macs was a step towards software companies making Linux software, since the architecture is one step closer to PC based Linux OSes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Dell without an operating system I don&#8217;t ever see happening.  The problem is they are customer service based so they don&#8217;t want anything out there that doesn&#8217;t have an OS they can support.  That is the only reason they are offering Ubuntu is because of commercially available support and that partnership.</p>
<p>Ubuntu on Dell&#8217;s is a major advancement of Ubuntu as THE face of Linux and to gain more mainstream support from major software companies like Adobe who already have Windows and Mac flavors out there.  Just as the Intel based Macs was a step towards software companies making Linux software, since the architecture is one step closer to PC based Linux OSes.</p>
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		<title>By: newlogic</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-4302</link>
		<dc:creator>newlogic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is alot of dell reps on this blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is alot of dell reps on this blog</p>
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		<title>By: Wolivere</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-2864</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolivere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You could buy the Vista PC cheap, install Ubuntu on a partition and have a dual boot system (in can come in handy to have windows so you can do your taxes once a year, etc).&quot;

True and I can play games on Ubuntu at 1/2 speed 1/2 the frame rate and watch it crash every 15-20 minutes.

&quot;Then consider what you save on software licenses, anti-virus and anti-spyware programs you have to buy, and then factor in the time youâ€™ve spent watching the windoze hourglass, waiting for something to happen or the value of the work you lost to the blue screen of death.&quot;

With the money I save, I can buy lots of this if I needed it.

And trully its been near 10 years since I saw a blue screen of death. But strangly I have seen a lot of X11 crash&#039;s or reboots to a (prompt) due to X11 going south.

&quot;My bust-ass 5 y.o. Compaq laptop with a 1.4 ghz Celeron processor and 512m of memory outperforms a state of the art laptop running Vista. As long as my laptop still runs, there will be no need to replace it.&quot;

Well thats only partially true, you most likley are trying to make Vista Work, while surfing listing to music, and typing emails in Ubuntu.. you know the resource intensive stuff......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You could buy the Vista PC cheap, install Ubuntu on a partition and have a dual boot system (in can come in handy to have windows so you can do your taxes once a year, etc).&#8221;</p>
<p>True and I can play games on Ubuntu at 1/2 speed 1/2 the frame rate and watch it crash every 15-20 minutes.</p>
<p>&#8220;Then consider what you save on software licenses, anti-virus and anti-spyware programs you have to buy, and then factor in the time youâ€™ve spent watching the windoze hourglass, waiting for something to happen or the value of the work you lost to the blue screen of death.&#8221;</p>
<p>With the money I save, I can buy lots of this if I needed it.</p>
<p>And trully its been near 10 years since I saw a blue screen of death. But strangly I have seen a lot of X11 crash&#8217;s or reboots to a (prompt) due to X11 going south.</p>
<p>&#8220;My bust-ass 5 y.o. Compaq laptop with a 1.4 ghz Celeron processor and 512m of memory outperforms a state of the art laptop running Vista. As long as my laptop still runs, there will be no need to replace it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well thats only partially true, you most likley are trying to make Vista Work, while surfing listing to music, and typing emails in Ubuntu.. you know the resource intensive stuff&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MotoMitch</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-2840</link>
		<dc:creator>MotoMitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The discounts are being offered because Vista is a pig. Yes, it seems unfair to charge less for a PC with an expensive and bloated OS, but nobody wants it and that&#039;s how the market works. 

But if you compare a PC with the same specs running Ubuntu vs. Vista? Ubuntu wins, hands down.

You could buy the Vista PC cheap, install Ubuntu on a partition and have a dual boot system (in can come in handy to have windows so you can do your taxes once a year, etc).

Then consider what you save on software licenses, anti-virus and anti-spyware programs you have to buy, and then factor in the time you&#039;ve spent watching the windoze hourglass, waiting for something to happen or the value of the work you lost to the blue screen of death.

My bust-ass 5 y.o. Compaq laptop with a 1.4 ghz Celeron processor and 512m of memory outperforms a state of the art laptop running Vista. As long as my laptop still runs, there will be no need to replace it.

Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discounts are being offered because Vista is a pig. Yes, it seems unfair to charge less for a PC with an expensive and bloated OS, but nobody wants it and that&#8217;s how the market works. </p>
<p>But if you compare a PC with the same specs running Ubuntu vs. Vista? Ubuntu wins, hands down.</p>
<p>You could buy the Vista PC cheap, install Ubuntu on a partition and have a dual boot system (in can come in handy to have windows so you can do your taxes once a year, etc).</p>
<p>Then consider what you save on software licenses, anti-virus and anti-spyware programs you have to buy, and then factor in the time you&#8217;ve spent watching the windoze hourglass, waiting for something to happen or the value of the work you lost to the blue screen of death.</p>
<p>My bust-ass 5 y.o. Compaq laptop with a 1.4 ghz Celeron processor and 512m of memory outperforms a state of the art laptop running Vista. As long as my laptop still runs, there will be no need to replace it.</p>
<p>Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-2508</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is cheaper to buy the machine with Windows installed then this is   what I will do:

- Buy the machine with Windows installed
- Format the hard drive, throw away the Windows OEM disk
- Install Ubuntu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is cheaper to buy the machine with Windows installed then this is   what I will do:</p>
<p>- Buy the machine with Windows installed<br />
- Format the hard drive, throw away the Windows OEM disk<br />
- Install Ubuntu</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Nawk</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-2383</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Nawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been asking Dell for machines with No OS for many years. The answer is still no. I think they should be honest with people and tell them the true cost of the machine and the OS.

I think anyone using any version of Windows c TM should ask for their money back on their current version and then use that money to buy the next version of Microsoft&#039;s operating system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been asking Dell for machines with No OS for many years. The answer is still no. I think they should be honest with people and tell them the true cost of the machine and the OS.</p>
<p>I think anyone using any version of Windows c TM should ask for their money back on their current version and then use that money to buy the next version of Microsoft&#8217;s operating system.</p>
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		<title>By: blueglue</title>
		<link>http://www.devside.net/blog/dell-ubuntu-lies/comment-page-3#comment-2365</link>
		<dc:creator>blueglue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a ubuntu user and previously I owned macs and their forums are filled with the same crap! Windows people go and be happy! I would also like to say that has nobody stopped to think that probably 0.00005% of windows users work in IT whereas probably about 20% of linux users do. So by Dell offering Ubuntu systems they are probably appealing to alot of people who have a say on corporate IT spending?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a ubuntu user and previously I owned macs and their forums are filled with the same crap! Windows people go and be happy! I would also like to say that has nobody stopped to think that probably 0.00005% of windows users work in IT whereas probably about 20% of linux users do. So by Dell offering Ubuntu systems they are probably appealing to alot of people who have a say on corporate IT spending?</p>
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