Typical Linux FUD Campaign towards Microsoft.

An Exercise for the Reader: Take a look at any of the major Linux friendly sites around the net and see if you can spot a pattern.

The typical day revolves around crying wolf, proclaiming Linux the winner of every battle, and screaming FUD at anything and everything Microsoft does.

It’s almost like watching under-developed, spoiled children running around, screaming, constantly trying to evoke attention and reassurance within their group.

Paris Hilton (and friends) come to mind here.

Lets take a look at the current round of FUD [Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt]…

Tactic #1.

Virtualize Windows on Linux? Microsoft Says No Way!

Create a completely misleading title.

Microsoft made no such statements…

“We haven’t seen significant demand [from enterprise-level customers] for Linux applications on the desktop or for desktop virtualization on top of Linux,” — Sam Ramji, Director Platform Technology Strategy, Microsoft

Little to no demand for Windows virtualization under Linux from enterprise-level customers does not translate to anything remotely close to what the author will have you believe.

Tactic #2.

However, one has to wonder why Microsoft is blowing off the enthusiast community…

Make a mountain out of a non-existent molehill.

The referred to community is not the sort that goes out purchasing copies of Windows to run under Linux. They either violate the EULA terms of existing copies or revert to their roots: stealing a fresh (virus and backdoor infected) copy of Windows from The Pirate Bay.

Microsoft is in business to make money, and will allocate resources to the market segment where there are profits to be made. Pleasing a community that never buys anything, that spits on them, that provides no benefit, and drains resources *does nothing* and efforts are better focused elsewhere.

Tactic #3.

I think the decision to refuse to support virtualized Vista and XP on Linux will hurt Microsoft in both the short and long term.

Proclamation of knowledge not possessed by others.

Microsoft is not run by morons. Talent is everywhere, and not just at Google.

Again, the author does not clarify what “support” is referring to exactly, but if there was a decision made, you can be sure that more knowledgeable and experienced individuals have worked it out.

Tactic #4.

I like Windows Vista (and XP), but I want to use Linux, too. And, I want to run the operating systems I prefer the way I want to. Microsoft’s decision to refuse to support virtualization on Linux makes it harder for me to do things the way I want – and I’m not happy. By refusing to support virtualization on Linux, Microsoft is basically telling users, “it’s our way or the highway.”

Carefully craft statements based on false premisses… Leaving just enough room to backpedal out of certain assertions in the future.

You can run just about any version of Windows as a guest OS under a Linux or Debain based host with VMWare, Xen, QEMU, etc. Paid customers are provided support from the VM vendor.

Tactic #5.

Somebody needs to remind Microsoft that it’s no longer alone on the desktop – and it can’t bully users like it used to. Somebody (namely me) just did. Is anybody in Redmond listening?

Pretend you have fallen, and can’t get up. Your target has pushed you down the stairs. Threaten to sue!

Please clarify what exactly it is that you believe Microsoft owes you?

It’s not enough that you get to steal their products, but now they also need to provide support for you to run Windows under Linux.

Remember what I said about the problems of having to cater to the vocal sub-category of the Linux home user-base? They never stop complaining, no matter what you do. Ubuntu comes to mind here.

The OS is a tool to be used, not a way of life.

89 thoughts on “Typical Linux FUD Campaign towards Microsoft.”

  1. Welcome to the Internet, retard. In case you hadn’t noticed, though, there’s an equal if not greater amount of anti-Linux/Mac/etc FUD coming from Windows users. Get over it. You’re not nearly as unbiased as you seem to think you are, either, looking at your shitty blog.

  2. Welcome to the Internet, retard.

    Insightful thoughts must follow…

    In case you hadn’t noticed, though, there’s an equal if not greater amount of anti-Linux/Mac/etc FUD coming from Windows users.

    No, I haven’t noticed (for the most part). I’ll admit that Microsoft maybe did at one time put out some questionable material, but that stopped quickly. These days, most of the FUD comes from the Linux side.

    What *I have noticed* is that the Microsoft side tends to spend their time working, rather than complaining and spreading FUD.

    You’re not nearly as unbiased as you seem to think you are, either, looking at your shitty blog.

    Coming from someone that starts their comments with the word “retard”, I don’t believe either are you.

  3. “It’s not enough that you get to steal their products, but now they also need to provide support for you to run Windows under Linux?”

    Rather a sweeping assumption don’t you think?

    Also, you should check out the article you link to. The author has modified it and apologised for his misinterpretation of Sam Ramji’s talk.

    I don’t recall *ever* seeing Microsoft or any Microsoft fanboy apologise for any lies, misunderstandings or other various crap.

    Having said that, and while I may not agree with some of your other points, FUD in any form and from any side is underhand and should not be tolerated.

    “What I have noticed is that the Microsoft side tends to spend their time working, rather than complaining and spreading FUD.”

    Interesting, as my experience is entirely the opposite. I guess it depends where which websites one frequents eh? :-)

  4. Of course there’s going to be fud on both sides. Whenever someone believes strongly in their choice, they’ll do anything to support it so fud wars are part of human nature. It’s certainly wrong, but it happens.

    Personally, I’ve used Windows, Linux, and PC-BSD. Each has their strengths and weaknesses and only experience (along with a few how-tos) will allow the person to separate truth from the rants. Microsoft is a large company and will seek interests in profits first as with any large company. Linux is a community developed thing, so more politics are dragged into the situation, but that also doesn’t mean it’s bad either. Windows was designed with ease of use in mind, Linux/BSD/*nix was designed with giving control to the user.

  5. If anyone is acting like spoiled rich kid Paris Hilton, it’s Microsoft. They obviously believe that they can do anything and get away with it. Maybe they need a similar dose of what Paris got. It would do my heart good to see Billy have to spend a few nights in jail. Of course it wouldn’t help, anymore than it will help Paris. As to Linux websites bashing MS, what rock did you grow up under. People will naturally tend to bash something when they find out that for years they have had an inferior product shoved down their throats, while at the same time being told it’s gods give to the known world.

  6. Also, you should check out the article you link to. The author has modified it and apologised for his misinterpretation of Sam Ramji’s talk.

    I do applaud his courage and lack of ego.

    Though this still goes to being a little quick on the trigger to bash Microsoft at every opportunity presented.

    I don’t recall *ever* seeing Microsoft or any Microsoft fanboy apologise for any lies, misunderstandings or other various crap.

    Microsoft and shell companies like SCO have done more than their share of damage, but we are talking about net users here, not corporations.

    I only see Linux fans bashing Microsoft, never the other way around… Though it could just be a result of the sites I visit.

    Having said that, and while I may not agree with some of your other points, FUD in any form and from any side is underhand and should not be tolerated.

    Thats a great stand… But I would rather just say it’s human nature, and work towards making it passive in the minds of others.

    Interesting, as my experience is entirely the opposite. I guess it depends where which websites one frequents eh? :-)

    You read my mind. Any sites you recommend I should go see?

  7. Personally, I’ve used Windows, Linux, and PC-BSD. Each has their strengths and weaknesses and only experience (along with a few how-tos) will allow the person to separate truth from the rants.

    Very good point!

    Microsoft is a large company and will seek interests in profits first as with any large company. Linux is a community developed thing, so more politics are dragged into the situation, but that also doesn’t mean it’s bad either. Windows was designed with ease of use in mind, Linux/BSD/*nix was designed with giving control to the user.

    Another excellent point!

  8. Microsoft is in business to make money, and will allocate resources to the market where there are profits to be made. Pleasing a community that never buys anything, that spits on them, provides no benefit and drains resources better focused elsewhere.
    Its totally wrong, no offence… I’m one of the linux enthusiast that BUYS a copy of Windows to run, virtualized or not… And I enjoy using it(currently Vista) for gaming. As for development purposes, I’ll go Linux…

  9. “The OS is a tool to be used, not a way of life.”

    Personally, I wouldn’t buy a tool to be used with as much lock-in as Windows. Imagine buying a hammer from a store and being required to sign a waiver saying, “You, the purchaser, are the sole individual authorized to use this hammer, and it is only authorized to be used with nails purchased from NameOfStore, etc…”

    I know that’s a slightly simplistic way of looking at things, but I’m just trying to be brief.

    The general point I’m trying to make is that you can put some thought into your choice of tools, and maybe even make some ethical decisions, without having to subscribe to a way of life.

  10. Gangsters can hide themselves and their actions behind curtains made of money. And there is always people looking forward to pretend they do not see anything wrong; someone has called these people “rent-a-supporter”. For them money rules.
    I do not need any facts or whatsoever. I simply do not like micro$osft. I’d rather do business with Al Capone.

  11. As for development purposes, I’ll go Linux…

    Up until recently I was primarly a C/C++ win32 api coder [for my projects... I don't code for a living]. I wanted control and got it, with all the headaches.

    Then I took a look at VS.NET 2005 and C#.

    What took me a few weeks to code before I can probably do in a day with VS.NET and the .NET Framework.

    Sure, it costs money, but you have to take into consideration the increase in productivity that comes along with a professional solution.

  12. What took me a few weeks to code before I can probably do in a day with VS.NET and the .NET Framework.

    Yes… To a lot of people, VS.NET and .NET framework “just works”… I’m looking at VERY portable codes… VS.NET and .NET framework? You’re FORCING your customer and clients to pay for the OS(es) that might cost up to thousands or more…

    Sure, it costs money
    You’ve got a point there… It NOT only cost money to you developer… It’ll also cost a lot to your client(s) as well…

    For small projects, I’ll go for .NET… For project that shoots over hundreds of servers, you go and tell them your budget… (I can build an application for your company within ** minutes… It’ll only cost you *** bucks… but later on you’ll have to purchase software license(s) for your computers… Each will cost you about err…. *** bucks…)

    I won’t do that… Maybe you will :)

    Peace

  13. You are talking about digg.com in your post. A large percentage of digg.com thinks the U.S. government is going stage a terrorist attack in order to declare martial law. In other words, they are not exactly geniuses. Maybe you could look at the Linux Foundation and compare the level of FUD coming from them vs the level of FUD coming from Microsoft.

  14. You are talking about digg.com in your post. A large percentage of digg.com thinks the U.S. government is going stage a terrorist attack in order to declare martial law. In other words, they are not exactly geniuses. Maybe you could look at the Linux Foundation and compare the level of FUD coming from them vs the level of FUD coming from Microsoft.

    Hey, Why’d you use the nick NeoGhost when I’ve used it??

  15. Your Blog sucks,The next time you decide to trash the linux community,please make sure that you know what you are talking about before you make comments !
    How much did you get paid to write this trash?

  16. OK, I’m confused about something here:

    I thought that some versions of Vista had license restrictions that prevent their use in virtualized environments.

    Am I wrong about that?

    If I’m right, then there is nothing misleading about the virtualization complaints. Low demand could explain the failure to provide a feature. It is complete nonsense in response to prohibiting something that could otherwise be done by the user without any action from Microsoft.

  17. Windows 2000 and XP licensing terms make no distinction between physical and virtualized instances. You are only allowed to run one instance of the software per license. If you want to run two, you need to have two licenses. Which is completely fair.

    With Windows Server 2003+ Enterprise Edition, and Windows Vista Enterprise, you can run one instance of the software in a physical operating system environment and up to four instances in virtual operating system environments, per single license. Again, completely fair.

    It gets a bit more difficult with Windows Vista Home and Premium editions…

    MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS [pdf]

    USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may not use the software installed on the
    licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system.

    Though Windows Vista Ultimate and Business editions allow for the OS to be used as the guest.

    Whether this has anything to do with the “support” issue of the original article, I doubt it, as there is no mention of the above.

    On another note, I could just as easily interpret the above clause as saying that the already installed Vista OS cannot be copied and run under a VM. But a separate bought copy can.

  18. No, sorry, Microsoft FORBIDS YOU from using a LICENSED COPY of Vista Home or Premium in any virtualized instance. IE: I go out and buy a fresh copy of Vista Home Basic to run specifically in VMWare or Virtualbox … according to Microsoft, that’s a crime and theft of their IP or some bullplop. Far as I’m concerned, what’s the difference whether I run that software as a host or a guest? NONE. Shouldn’t make a difference as long as the virtualization software will allow the OS to be installed as a guest. THAT kind of crap is why I removed Windows from every system I own. And if I didn’t need Windows for a couple of apps at work, I’d have moved over to linux there a few years ago too. I hate the lock-in that Microsoft sells as a “service”.

    Is there fud on both sides? Sure. But the difference is one is from lowly anonymous schlubs on blogs, the other is issued as corporate press releases and sales material.

  19. Let us go point-by-point on this, shall we?

    INTRO:

    While I’ll certainly agree with you that some in the F&OSS community are a bit too suspicious of MS, you must admit their ire is not ill-placed. MS has wracked the F&OSS community with threats and FUD for quite a while (maybe not as much FUD some might believe; more than others would). If we regard them with loathing, it’s for past hurts, broken promises, and, most of all, crappy software. Forget not that the F&OSS community judges foremost on the quality of code. MS needs must prove good faith, before we trust them.

    Ad hominem count: 2. One for the “spoiled children” comparison, and another for the completely nonsensical “Paris Hilton” reference. I just can’t see Stallman making a sex tape, nor Torvalds getting massive press over repeat DUIs; the two are completely incomparable.

    TACTIC #1:

    You’re one to speak of sensational titles. But still, that’s not so much to create some sort of anti-MS smear campaign as to get folk to read the article; summing up an article in a few choice, eye-catching words, one is apt to lose the full meaning of the article. It’s an old tradition, much older than the F&OSS community.

    The solution: read the article, like everyone else. In fact, the crazier and more sensational the title, the more likely the article itself is to be read, and the proper explanation held therein to be revealed.

    On an unreleated note, why’re you questioning F&OSS folk, but prop up an MS quote as self-evident proof? You’re not going to convince anyone who doesn’t already complacently worship MS: I’m beginning to regard this article as highly intellectually masturbatory.

    There’s no reason to believe that your supplied quote might not be MS FUD (no especial reason to believe so, either, from the information supplied in the article). You must not only present evidence, but give support and credibility that it backs up your claim. MS has not always acted in good faith, either with the community nor with its own customers, and its “Get the Facts” campaign is laughably tainted with distorted information–you could just as easily find MS saying nastier things, with neither more nor less credibility than you herewith present.

    Ad hominem count: 0! (Will miracles never…oh, wait–he’s saving it for the next section)
    Running ad hominem total: 2

    TACTIC #2:

    “The referred to community is not the type that goes out and buys a copy of Windows to run under Linux.” Nice. And where do you get this wonderful, startling conclusion? From your own feaverish imagination and perverse, wishful thinking. You’ve no proof, not even arguing the (quite tired) argument that, because GNU/Linux often costs nothing, F&OSS folk must be cheap freeloaders.

    Many (if not most) of the F&OSS community couldn’t care less about MS, its horrid OS, or virtualization. There’s no reason to suspect that those who do are running pirated copies, no more than anyone else. In fact, in the community, especially among those of a Free Software persuasion, there’s a profound respect for licenses; the GPL and other copyleft licenses protect our freedom.

    The folk who never buy anything would never use MS products anyway; those that do would likely pay for a proper license. I’ll explain slowly and loudly: the contreversy you cite was over a LICENSE CLAUSE. If one DOES NOT RESPECT THE LICENSE, one DOESN’T CARE ABOUT CLAUSES IN IT. However, if one RESPECTS THE LICENSE (which would include PROPERLY PAYING FOR IT) then one COMPLAINS ABOUT THE ABHORRENT CLAUSES because one is a LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN. Warez-folk would simply virtualize without concern for the license, cracking as needed.

    But pirates, cyberpunks, and warez-crackers are not respected in the community at large; any respectable GNU/Linux forum or IRC channel or article, or really anything wherein you could’ve researched this post would’ve quickly proven that. And if you disdain the pirate bay so much as you seem to, why are you linking to it?

    Ad hominem count: 6 (for unjustly and unfoundedly claiming that (1) the community, in general, desires to use MS software, but doesn’t want to pay, (2) the community, as a whole, would be generally inclined to violate the license under which software is distributed, (3) claiming the community consists of crackers, warez-pushers, and cyberpunks, showing your ignorance and insulting the community’s integrity and honor, (4) claiming that the community “never buys anything”, unfoundedly, (5) claiming that the free software community, whose finest achievements power the web, provide software for everyone, even on Windows platforms, and even are found in Windows itself (BSD code, my friend…guess where TCP/IP comes from) “provides no benefit”, and (6) “drains resources”, since evidently not putting in ridiculous and abhorrent licensing clauses somehow “drains resources”. What resources, pray tell are drained?)

    Ad hominem running total: 8

    TACTIC #3:

    MS indeed has talent. It has some of the best and brightest. But it turns out crappy software, and that’s all that matters. In the community, if you act like a moron and you code like a moron, you’re treated like a moron. The “act like a moron” bit should be adequately shown by the responses to this post, because, sir, you have hereunto demonstrably acted like a moron, and are being treated as such.

    Of course talent is everywhere. That’s the point of F&OSS…get software out of big, stifling corporations where it’s butchered, and out into the wider pool of talent where it can grow, innovate, and advance smoothly. Free Software was around before Google, and will likely continue to exist after Google’s faded into memory.

    If you’re not sure what “support” means, don’t comment on it. You’re better not making a fool out of yourself, and getting your article put as a punching-bag on LXer. Your blind faith that “more knowlegeable and experienced persons” are behind any given decision that comes out of MS is damnable complacency; the community thrives on questioning authority, facts over ignorance. MS has shown that it can’t be trusted to turn out good, reliable, safe software, and this undermines its credibility; if you ignore that and blindly trust that the same wonders of decision-making that released Windows ME will never err when speaking ex cathedra, I don’t envy the wondrous fairy-land you’ve constructed for yourself.

    Also, “proclamation of knowledge not posessed by others” is the entire point of journalism. If all others possesed the knowledge which one proclaimed, one need not proclaim it. I can only assume you’re saying “the community proclaims mystic knowledge unfounded in reality.” Or maybe “the community lies”. Please present an example thereof.

    Ad Hominem count: 1 The author openly admitted he knew nothing about the subject, and thus discredits himself and his article. The title of the section is nonsensical, and can only be interpreted as a confused, completely unsupported ad-hominem argument.

    Running ad hominem count: 9

    TACTIC #4:

    Create false premises? You begin with a false premise. Indeed, under the original license, the purchaser of the cheaper editions of Windows Vista was explicity forbidden to run his software under virtualization. Technically, the software may be so run, but it is in violation of the license and illegal. Thus, the author here not only fails to respect the EULA he championed in Tactic 2, but further reinforces the point of the contreversy: F&OSS folk care about and respect licenses, even if proprietary software folk don’t.

    The author continues to rant about “support”, not knowing what it is. Crikey.

    Ad hominem count: 0

    Running ad hominem count: 9

    TACTIC #5:

    “Please clarify what exactly it is that you believe Microsoft owes you?” Fair licensing terms. The right to do what we like with software fairly licensed, within reason. Really, we’d rather just like them to leave us in peace, and take their patent-swaggering and IP agreements and litigation threats elsewhere. We really just want to code in peace. Failing that, it’d be nice if they rolled over and died, or made a decent OS for a change–you know, one that was as fast, responsive, stable, and secure as the average Linux distro. To the average user. So no more freezing, no more reboots, better and lower-level admin tools, no need for extra security software or spyware scans, a good firewall automatically configured. It ain’t that hard.

    As I already showed, the community doesn’t “steal” MSs software; probably piracy rates are lower among F&OSS users than the general population, since they don’t need any crappy, buggy, virusy warez; they’ve got mind-boggling amount of good, legal, gratis F&OSS software a few clicks away.

    And the user-base is “vocal” because they’re not sheep, like most proprietary users. They’re a cohesive, strong-willed community that isn’t afraid to ask for what it wants, and generally gets it. Such “complaining” is more often known as “feedback”…and anyone who truly cares about software, computing, or pride in one’s craft knows that a deluge of negative feedback is the craftsman’s fault, not the customer’s. You can go back to your cowering before the altar of Redmond. We’ll be happy and free. Come and join us if you like, just don’t mention you wrote this article. That won’t help.

    “The OS is a tool to be used, not a way of life.” The author is simply incorrigable. This comment proves beyond a doubt that he does not love nor care about computers, nor posesses nor understands the old hacker spirit that inspires the community. For those that love them, computers are a way of life, and the OS, the computer’s very soul, is even as much a way of life. F&OSS has philosophy, tradition, community, mores, expectations, hopes, dreams…I call that a way of life.

  20. “They violate the EULA terms of existing copies, or simply result to pirating a fresh virus and backdoor infected copy of the OS from The Pirate Bay.”

    Stopped reading after this…

  21. aristos_achaion,

    The referenced article was based on a quote of what Sam Ramji’s said at a talk, and the author reinterpreting that to “Windows does not virtualize under Linux.”

    This has nothing to do with the licensing terms of Vista Home and Premium. Read the article, and the retraction the author made.

    Nor would anyone have mentioned this further if I did not take the time and locate the licensing clauses to post here, in response to one comment.

    The rest of your arguments hold no merit and go towards wild accusations, putting words in my mouth I never said, and some type of a delusion towards grandeur of self with Linux.

    If you want to live your life in an Linux Utopia dream, do so. Myself, I’ll try to actually accomplish something in life, using whatever tools that maximize my productivity…

  22. I’m one of the authors of such blogs, and yes, I will continue to do so. I don’t see it myself so much as FUD, but more like “exposing those parts that other websites don’t expose”.

    I started it because I was sick and tired of Linux users staying nice, reasonable and worse – on the defense. Two can play that game.

    Tactic #1. Create a completely misleading title.
    I learned that from the Microsoft press releases. They’re great at doing that. Major websites copy it and sometimes spice it up even more.

    Tactic #2. Make a mountain out of a non-existent molehill.
    I learned that from Steve Balmer interviews. Apart from being clueless – he’s a salesman, not a technician – he knows how to get the headlines.

    Tactic #3. Proclamation of knowledge not possessed by others.
    Here’s Hilf speaking! He acts like he’s using and testing Linux all the time and knows what he is talking about. The obvious truth is of course that apart from racing around in the sportscar he bought with his 30 silver dollars he has been using Vista ever since.

    Tactic #4. Carefully craft statements based on false premisses… Leaving just enough room to backpedal out of certain assertions in the future.
    I’m confused here.. You’re not describing “Get the facts” campaign here, are you??

    Have phun, you got my email and my website..! I’ll be happy researching you and your statements if you want me to.

    Hans Bezemer

  23. admin:

    I admit, it was a bit grandiose; that’s probably a function of the fact that I wrote it at 4AM.

    But I stick by most of what I said, and the ad hominem count sticks. The author states quite clearly that the F&OSS community (NB: the word “community” was used) is liable to break software licesnses, download unlicensed proprietary software (the above and befefore mentioned “warez”), “never buys anything” for some reason,

    And really, I can’t find much of anywhere I put words in your mouth. I occasionally point out unsupported or nonsensical arguments, and attempt to interpret them as best I can; I might’ve had too much fun with the “proclaims knowledge not posessed by others”, but that statement’s nonsense, and I treated it as such.

    But an unresearched, sensationlist peiece, that generalizes the “linux community” off of a short, atypical article and a huge number of suppositions (if you’d even bothered to check a typical F&OSS news site before you mentioned the “community”, you’d have found much better articles on the subject). I take the untrue and unfounded comments about the community as a personal affront, and responded as such.

  24. But an unresearched, sensationlist peiece, that generalizes the “linux community” off of a short, atypical article and a huge number of suppositions (if you’d even bothered to check a typical F&OSS news site before you mentioned the “community”, you’d have found much better articles on the subject). I take the untrue and unfounded comments about the community as a personal affront, and responded as such.

    You might be surprised, but I have been dealing with Linux for about a decade now. Starting with Slackware. I have frequented most of the FOSS sites and have been a member of many Linux communities over the years.

    I’m pro-Linux, if anything. I support it, use it, and even have been running a GPLed SF project [check the main site] since 2003.

    Everything I have stated about the specified home user-base is completely true for a good majority of that base. This is not everyone of course. I’m not talking about people that actually have a need for Linux, but rather the crowd that joins in for no other reason than to be part of a group and to pretend to fight some fight. Which is mostly all I see on most of the pro-FOSS sites these days… This type of hivemind, delusional, juvenile behavior.

  25. “aristos_achaion,

    The referenced article was based on a quote of what Sam Ramji’s said at a talk, and the author reinterpreting that to “Windows does not virtualize under Linux.”

    This has nothing to do with the licensing terms of Vista Home and Premium. Read the article, and the retraction the author made.

    Nor would anyone have mentioned this further if I did not take the time and locate the licensing clauses to post here, in response to one comment.

    The rest of your arguments hold no merit and go towards wild accusations, putting words in my mouth I never said, and some type of a delusion towards grandeur of self with Linux.

    If you want to live your life in an Linux Utopia dream, do so. Myself, I’ll try to actually accomplish something in life, using whatever tools that maximize my productivity…”

    Sir, I find this rebuttal offensive. Aritos debated your points with fair accuracy, proved his “wild accusations” with information from your blog. You, sir, have no journalist talent, nor do you possess even the basic debating skills given on human-kind. You easily reacted to other’s passion filled comments with ego-fueled zeal, however when faced with a rebuttal worthy of notice you cower behind “..the rest of your arguements hold no merit..” How convenient. You prove points made in the comments you so easily dismiss, the rant, and dismissal of the FOSS community. You also show your lacking of journalistic endeavour.

    Yes, I run Linux. I run it professionally and personally, with many of my enterprise applications using FOSS code as it’s base. Your limited knowledge, as you pointed out earlier, cannot speak for anything outside of your Microsoft based programming tools, so please re-read your own work: “Tactic #3. Proclamation of knowledge not possessed by others.” when you speak of applications and their ‘headaches’.

    As for FUD from Linux, Yes ofcourse by the tired minority, However if you remove your redmond colored glasses, I am sure that even a lackluster journalist as yourself can find the FUD that Microsoft releases on a monthly basis. 235? jar your memory? License our IP that is in Linux? Iam sure you can find more, IF you put down the Kool-Aide(TM)..

  26. You prove points made in the comments you so easily dismiss, the rant, and dismissal of the FOSS community. You also show your lacking of journalistic endeavour.

    Just check the Ubuntu tag of this blog and read the comments. Most of the points have been answered ad-nauseum.

    After a while it gets old… Especially points that dismiss everything said, that then proclaim that you are guilty of doing this and that, all while basking in their own hypocrisy.

  27. Let me give you an example…

    ..the rest of your arguements hold no merit..” How convenient. You prove points made in the comments you so easily dismiss, the rant, and dismissal of the FOSS community. You also show your lacking of journalistic endeavour.

    Yes, I run Linux. I run it professionally and personally, with many of my enterprise applications using FOSS code as it’s base. Your limited knowledge, as you pointed out earlier, cannot speak for anything outside of your Microsoft based programming tools, so please re-read your own work: “Tactic #3. Proclamation of knowledge not possessed by others.” when you speak of applications and their ‘headaches’.

    I made some odd comment about being more productive in VS.NET using C# vs. using C/C++ and the win32 API.

    And now this is an issue with you. An issue that has nothing to do with much of anything discussed. Thought you are grabbing hold of it.

    Making a mountain out of a non-existent molehill?

  28. From the blog post:
    >> Microsoft is in business to make money

    Well we aren’t. (FOSS users/developers). We are mathematicians. We are engineers. We are scientists. Nothing more and nothing less. This is precisely why FOSS software is, on average, more efficient, faster, better, stronger. To you this is a business. To us this is math. For us, our wallets may suffer. But for you, your software suffers. I noticed that you blog about software development. Well, your for-profit model does not stand up to our mathematical model when it comes to software. This is and always will be true.

    Cheers and good luck,
    Devin

  29. It is Microsoft’s official policy as stated in their EULAs to not allow Windows desktop virtualization on Linux (where Microsoft has have a monopoly to protect), but allow it on servers (where they don’t have a monopoly yet but hope to acquire one in future). Basically Microsoft is trying to prevent Linux being preloaded by OEMs default and Windows being added as a virtualized optional extra, as this would allow Linux to become a viable competitor to Windows on the desktop. On the server side, Microsoft needs greater adoption of Windows in businesses where Unix and Linux servers are predominant, so Microsoft is allowing virtualization.

  30. There are definitely some points noted on here that are true, as much as I don’t like to admit. I’m a linux guy all the way, but working on a software company focusing only on the Windows platform, I get both sides. The statement about Microsoft not wanting to support virtualization is true, why would they want to support something for a group of people that typically hack or pirate what they want? On the other hand, for the large IT shops that typically deal with cost shortages and limited resources and hardware, there’s definitely a benefit to virtualizing Windows on the Server platform.
    And yes, many linux people typically cry around like little children, as do most windows people or mac people. That’s not going to change though. People just want to be heard and feel that what they believe in is the only right answer, but I will admit, there are definitely advantages to the windows platform, as often it might crash or as often it might bog down, just as much as there’s the down sides to Linux (especially with the fact that my girlfriend only knows as much as to find the music player in the application menu). That’s changing, yes, but until there’s proof of what either side are claiming, the FUD is growing on either side (even with the news of Google threatening Microsoft after it joined the OIN).

  31. Let me break it down to the simplest of terms.

    You are advocating/supporting an operating system that REQUIRES YOU to use/purchase another product in order for the first product to work.

    What?

    What other product does that. Anti-virus? Anti-spyware? Why?

    Anyone else would have been brought up on RICO Charges by now.

    And oh…if you don’t think it’s the case, you’re not doing anything but fooling yourself. You really really like windazed that much?

    take the heliOS Challenge

    http://www.lobby4linux.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47&Itemid=59

  32. “I’m pro-Linux, if anything. I support it, use it, and even have been running a GPLed SF project [check the main site] since 2003.”

    Yeah you are real pro Linux. Who would you consider the underdog in the Microsoft versus Linux world? How does it feel to kick around the little guy? Does it make you feel real strong to deny the benefits or Open Source while claiming your just gonna use the best stuff available?

    Your arguments center around a few ego-centered Linux users who have big mouths, too bad 90% of the desktop world runs Windows and hence there are 10 times as many big mouth ego maniac Windows users. You denial of MS FUD is laughable in the extreme. They pay hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars to convince people that Windows is superior to all other operating systems, I wonder how much the Open Source community pays for advertising?

  33. It’s warmly touching to see caring, devoted people like you sacrificing your valuable time to speak up for Microsoft, the underdog. Microsoft will not go bankrupt today thanks to your efforts. Perhaps this will even be the year of Windows on the desktop!

  34. To me, FUD implies an organized source, which the open source community certainly is not (almost by definition). But still, some good points were made.

    I do think that Microsoft is making strides toward “interoperability”, but only in ways that suit them. They are profit driven, so you can’t necessarily count this against them. But, are they making enough strides? That’s the real question for me.


    Dustin Puryear
    Author, Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers
    http://www.puryear-it.com

  35. So, just because one columnist got it wrong and was sensational, you smear the entire Linux community?

    You might just want “something that works”, but some of us have ethics and morals and don’t want to be locked in by a convicted criminal monopolist. Sure, it might be “easier” to use Windows that “just works”, but to quote a colleague of mine, it’s “easier” to just dump your trash in the street. Every action you take has ethical and moral implications, whether or not you realize it.

    Honestly, I don’t care about Microsoft. It’s completely irrelevant to my life. I don’t use Windows, I don’t work with Windows, I don’t support Windows. If Microsoft vanished tomorrow, my work and home computing environments wouldn’t be affected in the slightest.

    Every corporation will eventually fold – nothing lasts forever. When that happens to Microsoft, I probably won’t notice.

  36. The Linux and free software community is driven mostly by philosophy and idealism while Microsoft epitomizes the capitalist mentality.

    You will always have loud and roudy fanatics on both ends but you also have the silent majority which takes the quotes you mentioned and indeed your own post with a grain of salt.

  37. Your militant retorts to nearly every comment made on you blog, that disagrees with your criticisms of what is basically the digg community. Only adds to the original convictions of the blog your trying to criticise. You use the term FUD which refers to fear uncertainty and doubt, which could never be applied to Microsoft who hold the market share. Make up your own three letter acronym and rewrite your shitty charlatan blog.

  38. admin said:

    “Microsoft is not run by morons. [..]if there was a decision made, you can be sure that more knowledgeable and experienced persons have worked it out.”

    to witch one can apply the admin’s own comment:
    “Tactic #3. Proclamation of knowledge not possessed by others.”

    and later, illustrating that he knows his own bold assertion to be false with:

    “Microsoft and shell companies like SCO have done more than their share of damage, but we are talking about net users here, not corporations.”

    “It’s not enough that you get to steal their products,”
    In some jurisdictions that is called ‘libel’.
    I winder if this fall under “Tactic #4. Carefully craft statements based on false premisses…” ?

    “They violate the EULA terms of existing copies”

    Really? I would be interested in the authors quoting us the section in my XP-Home-Edition EULA that ‘forbid’ me from running it in a VM under Linux…

    As for Vista… If the EULA said somewhere that you can drink coffee while using Windows (unless you pay Microsoft an extra $300, would it be binding ?

  39. As a Linux supporter and an advocate of the open source development model, my choice to speak up in favor of Linux has nothing to do with a way of life. If anything, it’s rooted in my personal belief that I should own my computer and its software and not be forced to agree to draconian licenses just to use my own system. I’m also a firm believer in freedom and Microsoft offers little in that department. In a free market, we should have a choice, and until Microsoft is dethroned, that choice does not exist. Sure, there are other options to Microsoft products but, in many cases, they’re incompatible with 90% of other desktops and software. That isn’t a real choice.

    I don’t care if developers, Google, or Microsoft want to make money. That’s fine with me. What I care about is open APIs and open platforms that allows us to choose our OS without being forced to choose Microsoft products simply because they have a monopoly on the desktop OS/applications market.

  40. Linux is 5 % of the PC market share. Microsoft 90 %.
    Therefore, Linux hasn’t got enough power of influence to do Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. Only Microsoft’s marketing department can.

    So, talking about Linux FUD is an economic nonsense.

    Besides, Microsoft is the threat, which want to eliminate any competition in the OS businness. Linux play by the rules and loves competition.
    Linux only want to live for its users. Microsoft wants it to be dead. His weapon are the FUD and patents attacks.

  41. Without addressing the opposing points so articulately presented along with what in another universe might pass for supporting detail, I’d like to calmly add that the potential for benefit of articles and discussions of this sort is vanishingly small, and in fact inversely proportional to the sincere intent to improve an identified problem evinced by the participants.

    Whenever I feel the need to criticize an identifiable group by characterization, the first thing I do is describe the execrable behavior of a totally non-representative self-selected subset of that group and warp logic to impute that behavior to all the non-hostile, self-actualized, and well-adjusted majority of that group.

    Works like a charm…

    Frank

  42. Well, looking at the article you are referring to, I see that the original version, has been corrected. And as a polite gesture, something I really don’t expect from everyone, an apology was extended to everyone involved.

    And than look, how the article was corrected. The original version is preserved and only the corrections added. So everybody can see see for him/herself what was written and what was wrongly stated.

    That is a very decent and open way to handle mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. But we differentiate ourselves in the way we handle these situations. Mark Soper did the right thing. And I will check back, to see what you think is the right to do. Just being curious.

  43. So, you say its FUD and you are just so unbiased. I think not.
    In your “unbiiased” oppinion Linux users are software priates and Microsoft doesn’t prevent use of virtualized Windows.

    First of all some of us (Linux users) run Linux as we actually do care about software licenses, and find out that paying often redicoulously high license fees are not motivated if we can get something that gets the work done smothly for free. Then there is a part of the Linux community would most likkely never touch a non GPL program pirated or not for religious/political reasons.

    Second, Microsoft do try to limit use of virtualized Winodows, as you are only allowed to use the top of the line models of Vista virtualized. What if you you develop cross platform software and would like to have an easy test environment. As far as I know there would be no technical problem running Vista basic virtualized, its all in the EULA. So, if I legally want to test my software on these platforms I will have to get more hardware..

    You could perhaps argue that this type of rules, wouldn’t be binding, but that doesn’t really matter as long as this isn’t tried in court. Most businesses want to make money, not fight long costly battles incourt. where your opponent most likely have much more resources than you.

  44. 1) The article’s title you start off with has been corrected, my dear .NET friend. The author aknowledges he misunderstood.

    2) Violating EULA terms or pirate? How? By whom? Do you have any fact in support of this allegation? I, for example, had never heard of posibilities to obtain a pirated copies of propriatary products, let alone the website you link to.

    3) Stealing their products? And you are accusing who of spreading FUD? Have you got any facts in support of this allegation?

    4) I’m at a loss at how your list of tactics constitute FUD to begin with. For instance, how does complaing about MS’s lack of virtualization support constitute FUD? Remember, FUD is disinformation regarding a product or manufacturor that is often disguised as the Truth. Expressing dissactisfaction with a manufactoror, making demands to a manufacturor does not constitue FUD.

    5) The pattern you think have discovered are all based on responses to a single article. A first version of an article that was based on a misunderstanding and was later corrected. Discovering patterns requires a aselctively chosen representative set that is sufficiently large.

    All in all. The basis of your writings is eraneous, flimsy (N=1), and your writings do not lead to the conclusion you seek to reach.

  45. There are definitely some points noted on here that are true, as much as I don’t like to admit.

    Hmm.. which point’s? And please argu why.

    “I’m a linux guy all the way, but working on a software company focusing only on the ”

    Sure you aer a Linux guy all the way.. Sure.

    “Windows platform, I get both sides. The statement about Microsoft not wanting to support virtualization is true,”

    It isn’t. The article reffered to has been corrected by the author.

    “why would they want to support something for a group of people that typically hack or
    pirate what they want?”

    Hmm.. care to support your allegation? Gime one opne source hack site.. just one.. and I’ll give you a thousand Windows piracy sites. Give me the name of the open source equivalent of the BSA.

    Why would have Open Source users have the need to “hack and pirate” when everything they need is available in Open Source form, operating system kernels, operatiing system utilities, development tools, web servers, databases, windowing systems, desktops, office suits, generally downloadable, legally and free of charge from the Interenet. Entire, ready to use distributions like Ubuntu and Fedora, to name just 2, are made available this way. Open source users generally hack and pirate what they need.

    It si Windows users that generally hack and pirate what they need. Hence the thousands of crack sites. Hence the BSA. Piracy is a phenomemen that does not exists in the Linux realm.

    You are not a “Linux guy all the way”, you are an astroturfer, my dear friend.

  46. Well we aren’t. (FOSS users/developers). We are mathematicians. We are engineers. We are scientists. Nothing more and nothing less. This is precisely why FOSS software is, on average, more efficient, faster, better, stronger. To you this is a business. To us this is math. For us, our wallets may suffer. But for you, your software suffers…
    Cheers and good luck,
    Devin

    You are living in an idea not supported by the facts.

    Perhaps a long time ago this was true, but these days it is not the community that develops Linux, or more specifically the kernel and the major applications…

    It’s businesses and corporations that do. Internally, and via funding and supporting individuals/groups in some way.

    Ubuntu is a result of Canonical/Shuttlworth money paying on staff developers and marketers.

    Linux kernel development is moved towards the server market, and is actively supported by companies such as RedHat and IBM. And so on…

    FOSS individuals do contribute their time and effort, but when was the last time someone on the kernel mailing list gave a hoot on improving desktop performance? Vs. server.

  47. It is Microsoft’s official policy as stated in their EULAs to not allow Windows desktop virtualization on Linux (where Microsoft has have a monopoly to protect), but allow it on servers (where they don’t have a monopoly yet but hope to acquire one in future).

    MS Willy

    That might be true……if you take everything Microsoft does as an assault on Linux.

    MS does not allow virtualization [under the EULA] under Vista Home and Premium, does allow an extra instance under Ultimate and Business, and gives you 4 extra instances per 1 license under Enterprise.

    This just might have something to do with having no market for desktop virtualization under Home and Premium and/or providing extra featuresets under Ultimate and up editions.

    I don’t know.

    And personally, I find running Linux as the guest OS under a Windows host, much more useful.

    Basically Microsoft is trying to prevent Linux being preloaded by OEMs default and Windows being added as a virtualized optional extra, as this would allow Linux to become a viable competitor to Windows on the desktop.

    As far as trying to prevent Linux being preloaded by OEMs, OEMs like DELL live and die by Microsoft volume discounts and kickbacks. The margins are too thin on the hardware. Everything on non-upgraded systems is directly derived from Microsoft. Whatever is happening at DELL with Ubuntu, you can be sure that it’s working out in Microsoft’s favor.

    I’ve made several entries about this if you are interested [tag DELL].

  48. Let me break it down to the simplest of terms.

    You are advocating/supporting an operating system that REQUIRES YOU to use/purchase another product in order for the first product to work.

    If you want to play you have to pay. Money turns the world.

    It’s not right, but until we have desktop apps that can be used professionally, like Photoshop, Windows wins hands down. And please don’t say GIMP.

  49. Your arguments center around a few ego-centered Linux users who have big mouths…

    And that is why I always segment that userbase by placing words such as ‘vocal’ before ‘users.’

    …too bad 90% of the desktop world runs Windows and hence there are 10 times as many big mouth ego maniac Windows users. You denial of MS FUD is laughable in the extreme.

    Take a look around, anywhere… Even though there are 10-50x+ more Windows users on any given site, it’s the Linux crowd that make all the noise.

    And when have I denied what Microsoft does and their tactics?

  50. “If you want to play you have to pay. Money turns the world.”

    Sure. I’m not against paying. I’d gladly pay for all of my software provided that the APIs are open and that once I pay for it, I OWN it. I’ve bought a lot of comptuers in the past ten years and every time I was forced to pay for a new version of Windows, whether I wanted it or not. That’s not fair. I want freedom, not a free ride. There’s a huge difference.

  51. admin Says:
    “..but until we have desktop apps…”

    @admin:
    You were just shedding crocodile tears, now you are resorting to the infamous “Linux desktop” FUD.

    THIS IS NOT about ‘Linux Desktop’ apps … stay on topic, please.

    Don’t even go there!

  52. “To me, FUD implies an organized source, which the open source community certainly is not (almost by definition). But still, some good points were made.”

    “So, just because one columnist got it wrong and was sensational, you smear the entire Linux community?”

    “You will always have loud and roudy fanatics on both ends but you also have the silent majority which takes the quotes you mentioned and indeed your own post with a grain of salt.”

    The entire premises of this entry was that the vocal Linux crowd, and not the silent majority, are in it [Linux] for everything BUT the truth and the FOSS drive. They do nothing positive; pure fanboys. Their actions are purely juvenile in nature, and help turn many heads away from Linux in the business world.

    This crowd is here for no other reason than to…

    1) assimilate self into a larger group
    2) further spreads FUD against a common target with a herd mentality
    3) and/or to reassure one another of self-worth

    I have nothing but respect for the rest of the Linux userbase. Of which I am a proud member.

  53. Well, looking at the article you are referring to, I see that the original version, has been corrected. And as a polite gesture, something I really don’t expect from everyone, an apology was extended to everyone involved.

    On to the original article…

    As I have stated, I do applaud his courage and lack of ego.

    Obviously, this person’s intention was not to spread FUD knowingly and willingly [perhaps more so robot-like/unconsciously than willingly].

    But this does go directly towards jumping at every opportunity to bash Microsoft in the vocal segment of the Linux crowd.

  54. The OS is a tool to be used, not a way of life.

    Every protocol used in F/OSS is fully documented. Every API is available to anyone to implement at will. Every I/O layer, every bit at every level.

    If Microsoft had any actual desire for “interoperabiliy”, they could be 100% interoperable right now. The one single reason that Windows and Office stand alone, segregated, isolated, compatible only with themselves, is because Microsoft _wants_it_that_way_.

    The OS is, indeed, just a tool. Merely an abstraction layer between the hardware and the real purpose of having a computer at all: applications.

    But an OS is also the product of the environment in which it is written. That is why the choice of OS is important.

    Choose wisely.

  55. Choose wisely.

    And indeed you should!

    Just to put things into perspective — and not to throw out some smartass retort to a few of the above “we [FOSS] are good, you [everyone else] are axis of evil” type of posts…

    Last time I checked there were 800+ million people starving in the world and 1 billion living on less than $1/day.

    I’ll worry about that before I worry about which OS I should use.

  56. Admin wrote:

    Last time I checked there where [sic] 800+ million people starving in the world…

    So take all the hundreds (thousands?) of dollars you’ve thrown Microsoft’s way and use them for something more useful. Choosing Free Software is, as I wrote before, an ethical and moral choice. Which do you choose?

  57. Last time I checked there where 800+ million people starving in the world…

    Then why waste money on software you don’t have to? Put what money you would have spent every time you use F/OSS instead of proprietary in a jar, and at the end of the year put together a nice tax write-off.

    The fact that you see so much misery in the world and then go and send money to Redmond for no good reason is not flattering.

  58. I didn’t see that one coming! No, honestly, I didn’t. It’s way too absurd….

    Pro-anything-Linux, anti-everything-Microsoft folks saying that they don’t use Windows so they can do their part to feed the hungry. That must be a first.

    But don’t stop there… If this is your claim, go all the way. Don’t drive, start growing your own food, leave this rat race called society. You’ll be a better person than most people in this modern day world we live in.

    If Windows allows myself to be more productive, I can create more value in whatever I’m doing, value that offsets any costs implied.

  59. admin Says:
    “…leave this rat race called society. You’ll be a better person than most people in this modern day world we live in.”

    @admin:
    Don’t take it personal. It’s just an OS. ; – )

    admin Says:
    “If Windows allows myself to be more productive, I can create more value…”

    @admin:
    At the end of the day productivity and value.
    If you think you’re getting your bang-for-your-buck, it’s all good. ; – )

  60. Microsoft is a business which purports to provide a service through its software to the customer. If anyone is using an illegal copy of Windows, well go after them; but, if it is a legitimate customer asking for a service to be provide, like, adhering to standards I don’t see where Microsoft is doing that.

  61. if it is a legitimate customer asking for a service to be provide, like, adhering to standards I don’t see where Microsoft is doing that.

    But are legitimate customers asking that? And in what numbers?

    I mean, are persons that are running Windows Vista Home and Premium [and not Ultimate,Business,Enterprise] saying we want licensing terms to run another instance of Vista Home in Vista Home? Are the Windows OS home user-base also the crowd that says we want interoperability with open standards? I doubt most of them even have the slightest clue about what Linux is, or have any need for it.

    Microsoft is usually good about working with it’s enterprise base. One enterprise license comes with one physical and 4 virtualized instances of the OS.

  62. Admin wrote:

    I didn’t see that one coming! No, honestly, I didn’t. It’s way too absurd

    Hey, you brought up the issue in the first place.

    If Windows allows myself to be more productive, I can create more value in whatever I’m doing, value that offsets any costs implied.

    And if today were the 31st of February, the moon would be made of green cheese. A false premise implies any conclusion. Basic logic 101.

  63. And if today were the 31st of February, the moon would be made of green cheese. A false premise implies any conclusion. Basic logic 101.

    As I have always stated, I’ve found Linux to be best on the server-side, and for specialized needs/task on the desktop.

    For everything else, my productivity is greatest with Windows. And I’m sure this is also true for most people that actually have a task to perform.

  64. I would ask if you have evidence to the contrary? But nothing very specific and/or rather trivial being passed as the norm for the whole.

    In my opinion, you should use whatever OS you like. It does not matter to me one bit if it’s Windows or Linux… Just consider that pushing Linux on people does not help anyone or anything but one’s ego.

  65. World to Dell: We want desktop Linux!
    http://tinyurl.com/2pvbje

    Maybe if your computer worked, you would have time to see what’s going on in the rest of the world, not just your windoze world.

    Now stop your whinning.

    PS. I know you are going to delete this messeage. I don’t ****** care!
    cry baby.

  66. I’m glad you posted that.

    They can’t even get this right…

    And on Dell’s Ideastorm Web site, a staggering 41,210 users agreed with the thread, “Sell Linux PCs Worldwide — not only the United States”.

    On another thread, 6,410 users agreed with the statement, “Make Dell Ubuntu PCs available to businesses and non-profits”.

    Now take a deep breath, because you’re about the get a sick feeling in your stomach…

    When you vote, your vote increases the the total by 10 points.

    Those reported figures are off by a factor of 10! 4,000 users instead of 40,000.

    Not only that, but you get to register with a made up user_name and password immediately, no email confirmation, you don’t even leave the page.

    Log out, re-register again under the same exact IP address, and you get to vote again.

    Not that the people doing the actual voting have any intention of getting a Ubuntu DELL anyways.

  67. I would ask if you have evidence to the contrary?
    I am not the one making the assertion; the burden of proof is on you. I have anecdotal evidence that the Windows GUI is very inefficient for a lot of common tasks, but no hard numbers.
    In my opinion, you should use whatever OS you like.
    Of course. Just as you should drive whatever vehicle you like, keeping in mind that some vehicles are far worse for the environment than others. Freedom of choice is absolutely important, but it’s also important that people realize the ramifications of their choices.

  68. admin Says:
    “Not that the people doing the actual voting have any intention of getting a Ubuntu DELL anyways.”

    @admin:
    Is this your death rattle reloaded? I’m still laughing about the first one.

  69. I haven’t read the abundant feedback you’ve received here, so maybe someone’s already made this point, but I think you’d have an easier time convincing the readers of your argument if you’d substantiate your generalizations, e.g.:

    “The referred to community is not the type that goes out and buys a copy of Windows to run under Linux. They violate the EULA terms of existing copies, or simply result to pirating a fresh virus and backdoor infected copy of the OS from The Pirate Bay.”

    You’re not going to win people over by broadly painting them as thieving Gypsies (no offense to Gypsies).

  70. I’m pro-Linux, if anything. I support it, use it, and even have been running a GPLed SF project
    Err… Even your SF project runs SOLELY on Windows and you call yourself a PRO-LINUX? I don’t mean your software have to solely work on Linux… But c’mon… At least make it work on Linux!!!

    Take a look around, anywhere… Even though there are 10-50x+ more Windows users on any given site, it’s the Linux crowd that make all the noise.
    Okay… You’ve stated your point… 10-50x more Windows users right? Okay… Go ahead and ask them about Licensing issues, Virtualization, FOSS softwares… Most of them are gonna just reply you with one thing… “WT* is that? I don’t really care… As long as the computer works… I don’t care a thing…”. Conclusion? They DON’T CARE A SHIT

  71. Hold on a moment!
    The virtualization issue is a Windows one so why attack Linux. This issue is going to affect Microsoft in a big way! A school in my local area set up Windows Servers to run Virtualization software to run Windows!
    Each client in the school would load a VM session for its user (basically it gave each pupil/teacher the feel of their own PC where ever they were, in class, IT room, home, wherever)!
    This was possible in Windows XP but not in Vista unless they take on the expense of Vista Ultimate! So stop waving your anti-Linux flag on virtualization! All it will do is that companies that want a virtualization solution either face the cost of Vista Ultimate or swap to Linux! Lets hope more companies follow in Peugeot’s decision to cross over 20000 systems to Linux and relieve themselves of Windows!

    Microsoft’s record for anti-competitive behaviour dates back decades and you cannot criticize Linux for stealing Windows apps when it is Microsoft who stole everyone else’s (DOS was a copy of CP/M and Windows was copied from Apple’s OS)!

    Tell me when Linux (or any of its popular applications, such as X11, Kde, Gnome, Apache, OpenOffice, etc) was ever successfully prosecuted in court for its actions and then look at Microsoft’s litigation history and its on going action, especially with regard to the EU!

    I’m pretty sure that the developers of Linux are in the business of making money as well Linus Torvalds doesn’t work for free and Mark Shuttleworth is an entrepreneur, who’s done quite well, never mind looking at business models for Linux such as IBM’s, Novell’s, Redhat’s, Nokia’s, Motorola’s and many more!

    As far as your accusations about the Dell votes! Dell did so well with the success of the operation in the States that they now sell in Europe! They are also being followed by Asus, HP and Lenovo who have all announced Linux systems!

  72. This was possible in Windows XP but not in Vista unless they take on the expense of Vista Ultimate!

    They can still use XP.

    And lets not pretend that a volume license of Vista Ultimate is the same price as a boxed version at Best Buy.

    So stop waving your anti-Linux flag on virtualization!

    I have no idea what you are talking about here. Not that this would be the first time someone embedded a false issue into their arguments.

    Microsoft’s record for anti-competitive behaviour dates back decades and you cannot criticize Linux for stealing Windows apps when it is Microsoft who stole everyone else’s (DOS was a copy of CP/M and Windows was copied from Apple’s OS)!

    Again, I have no idea what your point is here, or what this has to do with anything said.

    …But I will bite…

    Innovation is a myth. Not that it matters… Linux is not any more original, or innovative, than Windows at the end of the day.

    As far as your accusations about the Dell votes! Dell did so well with the success of the operation in the States that they now sell in Europe! They are also being followed by Asus, HP and Lenovo who have all announced Linux systems!

    It’s called free advertisement at the expense of the Linux community. Get them in the door, show them how much better the Windows system deals are, sell more Vista Licenses.

  73. I don’t know if anyone is still reading this, but I’m going to comment anyway. I believe one main reason for the common belief that MS is trying to spread FUD is the fact that MS makes public pronouncements that Linux is using its IP but refuses to specify what it is. If MS were truly concerned about their IP rather than trying to spread FUD about Linux, why not just tell Linux developers what the code is so they can change or delete it? That would be the main reason I would say MS is spreading FUD. The comments from MS about its IP being in Linux look to me like MS is issuing a threat, but giving no one a chance to fix the “problem.”

  74. “Innovation is a myth. Not that it matters… Linux is not any more original, or innovative, than Windows at the end of the day”.

    yep Compare please Aero with Compiz – and U will understand about …inovation. Using almost any videocard – and from PIII to PIV – Compiz put Aero in the corner. No joke at all.

    Also try http://www.glscube.org/ or glscube videos from http://www.glscube.org/download.html page.
    or
    http://www.mandriva.com/projects/metisse/
    or
    https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/

    U will understand what I mean by innovation.

    $MS ? $MS it’s about patents. If they think about a new word, they will request a patent to be sure none will use that word. This is the level of $MS.

    Where was $MS innovations before Vista for example ? for few Years ? I ask you seriously – tell me some about because I and other web developers ask $MS to integrate some web standards (some CSS rules, PNG alpha tranparency support, tabs, etc) on IE for 5 years – bu we talk, we hear …until Firefox, then they wake up because IE position was affected – so what’s about customer care ???.

    I remember I was using Google Desktop Search and Copernic
    because I find XP search utility too slow and too non relevant.
    Where was MS innovation there ?? – Well was nowhere because – Innovation is a myth.

    Yep, tell that to Industrial Light and Magic, Dreamworks, Disney, Sony, Peugeot, Audi – and they will told you that the computing power and stability worth more than money. They all had money, they choose Linux – it time for you to ask yourself why.

    Not because innovation is a myth.

  75. Linux users must grow up & realize that Linux is just a piece of software. Its not an angel from heaven sent out to battle some evil or anything like that. No point in being emotional about a piece of software.

    Having said that, I must add that Linux offers almost no advantage over Windows or Mac OS X on the desktop. If Linux is stronger on some fronts, it has it’s weakness’ in abundance on other fronts. Linux brings almost nothing new to the desktop. This failure is clearly reflected in it’s marketshare. For over 10 years Linux has been made available for free & still has about 3% (or was it 2% ?) marketshare. Linux fans must stop blaming microsoft & focus on their own failings.

  76. I use Windows and Linux (Mint), and I must say that Linux will never win the desktop wars with their current setup. Users aren’t interested in using this OS, as a whole. There are too many problems to be had with Linux, and the learning curve is tremendous.

  77. People who write blogs on the Internet are not the type to pay for software. They violate the EULA terms of existing copies, or simply result to pirating a fresh virus and backdoor infected copy of the OS from The Pirate Bay.

  78. As usual the Loonix F$F nutwings proclaim the typical:

    IWantToBelieve(TM)
    FactsAreLies(TM)
    LiesAreFacts(TM)
    WeAreAnOSNotACult(TM)
    BashMakesYouAllSMartAndStuff(TM)
    WhoNeedsGuisAnyway?(TM)
    We’reJustAroundTheCorner(TM)
    WhoNeedsBlueRay(TM)
    JustRunItInWine(TM)
    CriticalBugReportsinReleasesDontExists(TM)
    WhoNeedsLargeFilesInExt4Anyways?(TM)
    WhyShouldIProvidefacts?(TM)
    MarketshareStatsAreWrong(TM)
    DisableCompizIfYouWantSmoothDVDPlayback(TM)
    ItsYourFaultXCrashedAndYouDidntSaveYourDocuments(TM)
    LinuxIsAllNeedExceptForTheOther80%
    UseFirefoxInWineIfYouWantToBrowseFaster(TM)
    WhatDNSResolutionSlowdownYouTalkingAboutWillis?(TM)
    IntelDriversIssuesAreAllIntel’sFault(TM)
    HannaMontanaLinuxPwnsWindows7(TM)
    WhoNeedsWordWhenYouGotLatex(TM)
    UseEsotericWorkarounds(TM)
    BroadcomPartsAreEvil(TM)
    MoreDistrosWillImproveMarketShare(TM)
    WindowsIsReally”X”ServicePack”X”(TM)

    Keep trying linux desktop, keep trying

    http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/

  79. Bob Robertson :
    Every protocol used in F/OSS is fully documented. Every API is available to anyone to implement at will. Every I/O layer, every bit at every level.

    That’s the biggest joke I’ve heard in ages. Majority of F/OSS apps/libs aren’t documented if at all.

  80. anon :

    Bob Robertson :
    Every protocol used in F/OSS is fully documented. Every API is available to anyone to implement at will. Every I/O layer, every bit at every level.

    That’s the biggest joke I’ve heard in ages. Majority of F/OSS apps/libs aren’t documented if at all.

    That’s a good point.

    Also one should consider the poor quality of source-code on most projects, open-source or not.

    Personally, I think open-source projects are just as — and maybe even more — likely to be poorly coded.

    It can be so badly coded sometimes that you need to be a OpenBSD hacker with 10 years experience just to get a clue of what’s happening with a C function…

    See OpenSSL is written by monkeys.

    I mean come on, that’s OpenSSL we are talking about!!! Goto statements all over the place jumping from one function body right into another. if(0) blocks to comment out code. And god knows what else.

    This is what happens when you take a bunch or random coders, and have them randomly generate code.

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